I am trying to purchase a great project but in the process of title paperwork the ONLY number to Identify this vessel is 45-1970.F I have attached a copy of this plate that was affixed to the starboard main saloon cabinetry in front of the galley

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Scott - I read it as saying “451-9070 F”

So if my interpretation is correct:

451 = 451 Commander
9 = 10th year of production (start w 0), so 1982
070 = Hull #70
F = Pompano Beach, FL plant

Thanks ! That's great help ! 

The Maryland DNR has no record of this vessel, and I am afraid any other identifying mark has been either removed or painted over during previous refit attempts. 

After I hit "send," I did think about this a step further and realized your problem was likely titling.  Especially given the year (1982), I think there was a standardized method for assigning hull id's across all manufacturers.  Check the upper corner of the transom on the starboard side.  Is there a small plaque/sticker or any evidence of one ever being there?  States can assign HIN's, and that's where they would go.

My '68 Commander for example (also here in the great Democratic People's Republic of Maryland) has the CC HIN on a plaque that looks similar to yours, but also has a properly formatted HIN assigned by the State of Nevada on the transom.  It's the latter which MD uses for my registration.  Hope this helps!

Thanks Matt

Yes, I did look there, either the boat has been painted and filled over or was not there. 

Looks like this might be your best solution then:

http://dnr.maryland.gov/Documents/B119_HINs.pdf

Hi Scott

Not that I want to add any confusion but I purchased a 451 in 2013. Similar to you, the only HIN was on that same plate indicating 451-9078F. The seller had bought the boat in FLA and had documentation that the boat was a 1979 and built at the Pompano Fla plant. I have no markings on the transom hull and I assumed fieberglass work in the past resulted in that number being covered up. The previous owner purchased the boat in FLA with those numbers and was then able to rereguster it in Canada. When I purchased the boat in Canada, I also was able to register it with thiose numbers as indicated above 

Let me know where your findings take you with the registration and year built as  “I am in the same boat.”

fYI- I rejuvenated the boat from top to bottom and am very pleased with the outcome. I would be interested in following your progress or share with you my adventure. 

Steve Macdonell

stevemacdonell8@gmail.com

Hello Steve, 

Basically I have to treat the boat as abandoned, once the abandoned boat claim process is complete, I will have to submit an affidavit to the effect of completing due diligence in trying to find the title history etc. It looks like it wont be a huge deal as I anticipated, usually here in MD, our Dept of Natural Resources is very helpful if you go to them and ask for help.

Steve Macdonell said:

Hi Scott

Not that I want to add any confusion but I purchased a 451 in 2013. Similar to you, the only HIN was on that same plate indicating 451-9078F. The seller had bought the boat in FLA and had documentation that the boat was a 1979 and built at the Pompano Fla plant. I have no markings on the transom hull and I assumed fieberglass work in the past resulted in that number being covered up. The previous owner purchased the boat in FLA with those numbers and was then able to rereguster it in Canada. When I purchased the boat in Canada, I also was able to register it with thiose numbers as indicated above 

Let me know where your findings take you with the registration and year built as  “I am in the same boat.”

fYI- I rejuvenated the boat from top to bottom and am very pleased with the outcome. I would be interested in following your progress or share with you my adventure. 

Steve Macdonell

stevemacdonell8@gmail.com

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