I have a 1972 Commander 35 Salon

Getting ready to pull the old dead 427 engines and re power with Big block 454 engines. 

Question I have is to anyone that knows how much does it cost to have two new fuel tanks made for the boat?

I would like to remove the old fuel tanks while the engines are out and then install two new tanks with the hopes that I can increase the fuel capacity with the new tanks. 

I'm just looking for a rough cost of two new fuel tanks.... $1k, $5k, $10k????  Tanks Only I will do the labor

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John Mario said:

Thanks for the reply- please shoot me a PM with pricing etc.

Look at the aft sliding doors on the bottom right of page 7 of the PDF-  the salon doors are 3 panels wide- so when fully open, the width of the opening is more than wide enough to slide an engine in/out.  Brought the fork lift up to the side of the boat at an angle and winched each engine up using one of the forks.  Super simple.  Nothing had to be cut or removed.  


Heimlich2010 said:

How did you get the old engines out of the salon and then new engines into the salon and into place?  Did you cut the top and then re-glass it so you could crane them in?

My plan was to cut big holes in the salon top to get the old ones out and the new ones in then just re glass it all back in. 

Odyssey said:

Thanks for the link

how did you get your old engines out and new engines in?

Jeremy Goldstein said:

My bilge is painted with water guard 300 epoxy paint made by progressive epoxy heres a link

To their website. It a bit hard to navigate but there's a lot of info there 

https://www.epoxyproducts.com/mar4_wg.html

We removed the stbd motor by setting up a small a frame gantry with feet on both fore and aft of the engine hatches. With a chain fall we hoisted the engine out of the bilge. We then closed the engine hatchs and slid a 4 wheel dolly underneath and lowered the motor on it then rolled it to the transom.

We then hoisted the engine out of the boat with a forklift.

On the port side the helm station juts out to nearly the fwd edge of the engine hatches which made it impossible to set down the front of the gantry. 

So we removed the port cockpit sliding windows and came in with the forks from the side and used a chain fall hanging from the fork to hoist the engine out with.

we haven't yet installed the new motors but since removing the engines I moved my boat to a different location that has a large boom truck which we will use .

However I have an express model so I have much easier access with a forklift or boom truck than you do with your unique aft cabin

I've never set foot on the 35 salon model but your aft cabin height and hardtop will likely make it difficult for you  to pluck your engines to the point that id give serious thought about removing your hardtop to get  it done



Heimlich2010 said:

Thanks for the link

how did you get your old engines out and new engines in?

Jeremy Goldstein said:

My bilge is painted with water guard 300 epoxy paint made by progressive epoxy heres a link

To their website. It a bit hard to navigate but there's a lot of info there 

https://www.epoxyproducts.com/mar4_wg.html

Thakns for the feedback.

I was thinking about either cutting a big hole in the top then re glassing it back in after im done or just removing the entire top from the boat and then replacing it when im done.   I am worries about the GA windows falling apart if I take the top off though.   Dont really want to cut holes either but it looks to my my only option is to crane the old ones out and crane the new ones in.  

Im going down to the boat this weekend to see if I can even get a short block through the doorway or window but just looking at it I dont think I can, plus thats not even factoring in room for a fork lift, boom or whatever to carry them in with.   Hmm..... decisions, decisions I guess. 

Jeremy Goldstein said:

We removed the stbd motor by setting up a small a frame gantry with feet on both fore and aft of the engine hatches. With a chain fall we hoisted the engine out of the bilge. We then closed the engine hatchs and slid a 4 wheel dolly underneath and lowered the motor on it then rolled it to the transom.

We then hoisted the engine out of the boat with a forklift.

On the port side the helm station juts out to nearly the fwd edge of the engine hatches which made it impossible to set down the front of the gantry. 

So we removed the port cockpit sliding windows and came in with the forks from the side and used a chain fall hanging from the fork to hoist the engine out with.

we haven't yet installed the new motors but since removing the engines I moved my boat to a different location that has a large boom truck which we will use .

However I have an express model so I have much easier access with a forklift or boom truck than you do with your unique aft cabin

I've never set foot on the 35 salon model but your aft cabin height and hardtop will likely make it difficult for you  to pluck your engines to the point that id give serious thought about removing your hardtop to get  it done



Heimlich2010 said:

Thanks for the link

how did you get your old engines out and new engines in?

Jeremy Goldstein said:

My bilge is painted with water guard 300 epoxy paint made by progressive epoxy heres a link

To their website. It a bit hard to navigate but there's a lot of info there 

https://www.epoxyproducts.com/mar4_wg.html

If I was in your position I would go straight to removing your hard top. Yes you will wind up with some extra curricular/ while your at it side projects to contend with but with your aft cabin the way it is , getting any kind of forklift or boom in there would be near impossible figuring you need height for a fork with a chain fall and the height of the engine itself to clear the roof of the aft cabin . even if you were coming in with a forklift from the side youd still have to come in at an angle to clear the cockpit side/ super structure. 

Some of the side projects would likely be;

-Resealing window frames to cabin top/ sides

-Replacing the plastic sliding window tracks

- Rewiring  things that are mounted on top of hard top

-Reinforcing the structure underneath the hard top (mine flexes A LOT )  

-Great opportunity  to buff out the area in front of your helm that is hard to get to with the windshield in place

-Blast and repaint the mild steel c-channel that runs thru the cockpit sides to support the hard top as it is likely rusty

Question on your AC sizing...

Sent you an email as well with the following questions....

Do you feel that your 18,000 BTU AC for the front cabin is the right size or would you have gone bigger? Does it keep it nice and cool on a hot summer day or does it just make it tollerable to be in the cabin on a hot summer day?

AC is something we are going to add for sure as man that front cabin gets so hot in the middle of the summer.

What about the 10,000 BTU AC you have in the salon? Right size or too small?



Odyssey said:

Contact Moeller. They build to spec as well as standard designs. 

We had new tanks built to original specs for a 36 TSF and they were perfect. (Also added the extra for epoxy coat)

Don't remember the cost, but it wasn't breath taking.. They will quote you with a blueprint before mfg. 

Lee

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