All due respect to the hardworking Ethanol producers of the country, I hate the stuff.  I go through gas quickly during the season, but unfortunately here in Maryland, there are no ethanol-free fuel docks, so those of you that have them, no need to rub it in!

To help combat this issue, I run a working dose of Marine Stabil 360 with every fill-up.  Unfortunately, as I pulled a fuel line this off-season, I noticed some discoloration inside the fuel line (which was brand-new last season), so I'm wondering whether the 360 is doing it's job.  That, and since I just had the fuel tanks cleaned, I'm evaluating if I want to switch to a new/better product.  Trouble is, information is all over the place as to what these products do, and some seem like snake oil.

So...if you do as I do and run a stabilizer all the time, what do you use and why'd you choose that one?

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Matt, I have said this before, Star-Tron fuel treatment. I add it every time I fill the Tanks. It is an enzyme treatment that you can't overuse, unlike stabilizers. Every fall I fill the tanks and add Star-tron for winter storage. I have never had a problem with phase separation. It was first recommended to me when I was restoring the Luhrs and had the remnants of 6 year old fuel in the bottom of the tanks. (What Clean Harbors couldn't suck out) Those old 318's never even sputtered. 

The ethanol producers may deserve some respect (not much), but the bureaucrats who have mandated that we use ethanol deserve no respect. A very knowledgeable (PhD) friend of mine, who spent his career in the auto emissions field, told me that ethanol in gas is a waste. It takes more energy to produce it than what you get out of it.

If you can find a gas dock selling ValvTect gas, that's good stuff. Even though it has ethanol, it also has stabilizers. I used it for 5 years up north and never needed to add stabilizer during winter layup.

Also, if you're burning through gas as fast as it sounds like you are, you shouldn't need stabilizer. If the boats sits for three months without running, then you probably need it. I'm with Nat, use StarTron. I used to use it in my motorcycles.

The Blue Moon has used a Texas Refinery product called DZL-Lene XL/10 for the last 25 years. Tanks, lines etc are 25 years old as well. Not a drop of water or anything else in the filters. I've run the tanks dry. I've run in 5 to 7' sea's so they've been stirred up. The previous owner recommended it because that's what he used in this diesel and his other gas powered boats. I am in the fuel business and had never used it before. After 3 seasons with the boat, I'm completely sold. There are other fine additives out there and everyone has their favorite. After researching it, using it and having a personal visit with the rep, I'll never use anything else.

This is a product that will work with diesel or gasoline

Their engine oil is a fine product as well. They have a specific Detroit 2 stroke oil also.

texasrefinery.com 

Take a look, give them a call. Great company 

Thanks for the recs, guys.  I'll definitely check-out Star-Tron and the DZL-Lene.  Another I'm looking into right now ValvTect's XP+ which seems to be a newer product and they always seem to make good products.

I've been using ValvTect XP for a few years with very good results but i'm also burning non ethanol 92 octane fuel only.ValvTect%20-%20Marine%20Gasoline%20Additives.html

Only thing I put in my gas is marvel mystery oil for some added lubrication. I run E10 all season, I do put it away with nonethanol for the winter though. I also store with basically empty tanks. This year I ran the tanks dry then added 20 gal of rec90 that a local station carries. 

https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MD

I had the chance to talk to both the ValvTect and Texas Refinery guys this week.  In talking with Texas Refinery, the DZL-Lene isn't marketed as preventing phase separation, but they think it takes care of it.  ValvTect's XP+ was designed as a phase separator and is actually an additive they put in their gas blend, so I think I'm going to give that one a shot.  It also has cleaning properties, so will see if I can get this residue to go away too.

Thanks all!

Sounds like you found the right product for your needs. Phase separation is  not something I worry about with my diesel fuel. 

Nothing will actually take care of phase separation, if you get enough water in your fuel that has alcohol it will happen. Using the boat regularly and having fuel caps that don't allow water in are the best prevention. 

Matt Cowles said:

I had the chance to talk to both the ValvTect and Texas Refinery guys this week.  In talking with Texas Refinery, the DZL-Lene isn't marketed as preventing phase separation, but they think it takes care of it.  ValvTect's XP+ was designed as a phase separator and is actually an additive they put in their gas blend, so I think I'm going to give that one a shot.  It also has cleaning properties, so will see if I can get this residue to go away too.

Thanks all!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought gas with ethanol in it was subject to phase separation even with no water intrusion, after some period of time....  

You are correct Jim

I know the world is getting ready to end but it isn't due to government ignorance about fuel, it will be another area.  This is not the original statement I have made about this topic.  Until last year when someone stole our fuel trailer most of those in the owner group were refueling with road gas, ~10% EtOH. I haven't  commissioned Timtation yet this year but last year was no problem and fuel has never been treated.  Hopefully this will not be a 3rd, 4th or 5th year with flood restricted cruising, it would be nice to empty all that problem EtOH fuel that causes so much consternation.  Bare in mind my engines are fed by mech. pumps, Carter carbs.

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