Hey all!

I wanted to thank you all again for your help the other week on that 38 we were looking at.  I appreciated the candor.  As I said, the search continues, and I stumbled on this:

http://smd.craigslist.org/boa/4112230265.html

I think I missed it before because I'm reasonably sure it's mislabeled.  I haven't looked at her yet,but did just speak with the owner.  He says the title says it's a 1969 and listed at 37'.  I'm no expert, but looking at the pictures, that sure looks like a 35 Commander to me.  (Don't worry - the arch would be the first thing removed!)

Given the rebuilt motors and apparent condition of the boat, I'm quite interested.  About the only thing it currently lacks is a generator, but it is wired for one.  Apparently the previous owner didn't reinstall when the motors were rebuilt.

Anyway, would love any thoughts you might have!  The Admiral is taking the first look on Wednesday.

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So looking more closely at other pictures...I guess they are "funky."

For some reason these appear to be two-piece manifolds and risers (if you look closely you can see the bolts at the base of the risers into the manifolds) instead of the one piece ones with the rounded off tops. 

Has anyone seen this before?  Dear god...what have I gotten into?!

I can't open the attachment.

Does this work better, Tim?

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb123/SM1600/35%20Commander/2013...


Timothy Miller said:

I can't open the attachment.

Thanks, that was worth waiting for.  All that iron, could be why the genset is missing, rebalance the boat.

So what am I missing here, Tim, and what are your thoughts on a way forward?  Given the external leaking on those risers, I'd like to get all that changed out.  Not sure if I like how that Hi-Tek set mentioned in another thread seems to block my access to the plugs and all.

Do I keep the manifolds and add the stainless risers? Do I change out both in favor of a stock set-up (we'll be adding a genset probably next year)?

First, take deep breaths.  What is leaking?  Joints, connections, gaskets?  What you have has been working for the better part of 45 years so unless the cast iron is leaking there is probably no reason to even be concerned about replacement.

The risers are a bit large and strange looking but these are log style manifolds which may be different than what you are used to seeing.  This is a pic from the library entered by the Chief, http://commanderclub.com/photo/427-freedom-engine

Wow - that's an amazingly beautiful engine!

The current corrosion and leaks are coming primarily from the lower corners of those risers where there's also some rust.  So it's coming from where seams are welded and the surrounding area.  Areas where pieces connect to one another appear to be alright.

The last time we were down there was for the survey/sea trial, and the boats an hour away, but I'll be going back down there this weekend to snap some more pictures.



Timothy Miller said:

First, take deep breaths.  What is leaking?  Joints, connections, gaskets?  What you have has been working for the better part of 45 years so unless the cast iron is leaking there is probably no reason to even be concerned about replacement.

The risers are a bit large and strange looking but these are log style manifolds which may be different than what you are used to seeing.  This is a pic from the library entered by the Chief, http://commanderclub.com/photo/427-freedom-engine

Aha!  Home made risers, no wonder they have square corners.  I retract my comments about working for the last 45 years.  Could be the welds need to be repaired but it would be good to begin the search for a good set of standard risers for log style manifolds.

Welded steel risers leaking brackish water...I wouldn't bother even firing up the welder for 'em.

Matt, there's all kinds of options on the risers. Relax mon! ;-)

If yours are leaking, cast iron ones are readily available. If the OE style isn't to your liking, the ones that fit 440 Chryslers also work, and they flow lots better than the originals.

The stainless ones are not going to make it hard to change the plugs unless you change them while sitting between the engines looking straight at the plugs. I find it much easier to change the plugs on mine while staring down at them from above, and I believe the stainless risers have better access in that orientation.

Either way, relax. It'll all work out.

Cheers,
Q

Aw - I'm not panicked! Heck, I've owned the boat less than a week and have already learned a ton. This is just the time to do some learning, get my bearings, and figure out my next move.

The more I'm learning, though, the less scared I am of those big boys!

Thanks all!

Editor's Note:  We thought the posts regarding the risers deserved its own topic that can be viewed and followed here http://commanderclub.com/forum/topics/427-risers-on-a-35-commander

Matt

Congrats on your acquisition.  Sounds like a few minor issues to take care of during off season.  Just as a point of reference, my old 25 Chris Craft had original 1978 manifolds and risers when I sold it in 2005.  I had removed them and cleaned them out a few times during and was surprised to see casting dates of 1977.  The boat was originally in Cape May NJ (ocean, 7years) then Delaware River (fresh water, 19 years ) then Annapolis (brackish, 9 years) in 1996.  I owned it 14 years.  It was raw water cooled with a fresh water flush (garden hose connection) installed which I used after I brought it down from Delaware River.  I have owned my 31 CCC raw water cooled 350s since 2005 and also brought it down from Delaware River to Annapolis and have not had to change manifolds or risers (knock on wood).  The Salinity content of Chesapeake Bay varies with the temp and location, 25-30 ppt at inlet from Atlantic Ocean to .5 ppt at head of the bay.  So I am saying that even cast risers will last longer than 3-5 seasons, especially if you hook up fresh flush system.  Your manifolds are anti freeze cooled so they are not an issue.

If you need a deckhand bringing it up from Deale, let me know. 

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